Comments on: Quiz 5.2.13: Speaking form labels http://www.access-matters.com/2005/08/12/quiz-5213-speaking-form-labels/ Seeking Best Accessibility Practices Fri, 16 May 2008 09:58:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1 By: jérôme coupé http://www.access-matters.com/2005/08/12/quiz-5213-speaking-form-labels/#comment-521 jérôme coupé Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:14:30 +0000 http://www.access-matters.com/2005/08/12/quiz-5213-speaking-form-labels/#comment-521 Testing with jaws 6.10 and IE 6.0 on Win XP, the hidden labels are spoken. With Firefox 1.0.4 and fangs, the hidden labels are not displayed. Testing with jaws 6.10 and IE 6.0 on Win XP, the hidden labels are spoken. With Firefox 1.0.4 and fangs, the hidden labels are not displayed.

]]> By: Bob Easton http://www.access-matters.com/2005/08/12/quiz-5213-speaking-form-labels/#comment-523 Bob Easton Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:33:04 +0000 http://www.access-matters.com/2005/08/12/quiz-5213-speaking-form-labels/#comment-523 IBM Home Page Reader 3.04 In item reading mode (straight through) the hidden labels are not spoken. In either link reading mode or control reading mode, the labels <strong>are</strong> spoken. They are not displayed in HPR's graphic display for any case. One thing is puzzling. The hidden labels are "expiration month" and "expiration year." HPR spells out the second word of each, month and year. I don't know why. IBM Home Page Reader 3.04

In item reading mode (straight through) the hidden labels are not spoken. In either link reading mode or control reading mode, the labels are spoken. They are not displayed in HPR’s graphic display for any case.

One thing is puzzling. The hidden labels are “expiration month” and “expiration year.” HPR spells out the second word of each, month and year. I don’t know why.

]]> By: Bob Easton http://www.access-matters.com/2005/08/12/quiz-5213-speaking-form-labels/#comment-524 Bob Easton Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:48:06 +0000 http://www.access-matters.com/2005/08/12/quiz-5213-speaking-form-labels/#comment-524 Jaws 6.1 with IE 6 The hidden form labels are spoken in both straight through reading mode and in forms reading mode. Jaws 6.1 with IE 6

The hidden form labels are spoken in both straight through reading mode and in forms reading mode.

]]> By: Bob Easton http://www.access-matters.com/2005/08/12/quiz-5213-speaking-form-labels/#comment-525 Bob Easton Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:18:43 +0000 http://www.access-matters.com/2005/08/12/quiz-5213-speaking-form-labels/#comment-525 Window Eyes 5.0 and IE 6 The hidden form labels are spoken in straight through mode and in form reading mode. Interestingly, they are read after the control's value is spoken. Window Eyes 5.0 and IE 6

The hidden form labels are spoken in straight through mode and in form reading mode. Interestingly, they are read after the control’s value is spoken.

]]> By: pam http://www.access-matters.com/2005/08/12/quiz-5213-speaking-form-labels/#comment-566 pam Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:43:46 +0000 http://www.access-matters.com/2005/08/12/quiz-5213-speaking-form-labels/#comment-566 Fire Vox 3.0 for Firefox (1.0.6) The hidden text is not read in straight through reading or when navigating to form fields from the elements list. Fire Vox 3.0 for Firefox (1.0.6)

The hidden text is not read in straight through reading or when navigating to form fields from the elements list.

]]> By: pam http://www.access-matters.com/2005/08/12/quiz-5213-speaking-form-labels/#comment-567 pam Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:50:18 +0000 http://www.access-matters.com/2005/08/12/quiz-5213-speaking-form-labels/#comment-567 Opera 8.01 (Windows) Opera does not read the hidden text in straight through reading. Unlike Fire Vox, it reads all the items (months and years) in the selection lists. Fire Vox only reads the current value in the box. Opera 8.01 (Windows)

Opera does not read the hidden text in straight through reading. Unlike Fire Vox, it reads all the items (months and years) in the selection lists.

Fire Vox only reads the current value in the box.

]]> By: Bob Easton http://www.access-matters.com/2005/08/12/quiz-5213-speaking-form-labels/#comment-570 Bob Easton Thu, 01 Sep 2005 09:07:28 +0000 http://www.access-matters.com/2005/08/12/quiz-5213-speaking-form-labels/#comment-570 Communication with the HPR development team confirms that the unexpected spelling out of the last word in the hidden labels is a known bug in version 3.04. Communication with the HPR development team confirms that the unexpected spelling out of the last word in the hidden labels is a known bug in version 3.04.

]]> By: Bob Easton http://www.access-matters.com/2005/08/12/quiz-5213-speaking-form-labels/#comment-574 Bob Easton Thu, 01 Sep 2005 18:56:24 +0000 http://www.access-matters.com/2005/08/12/quiz-5213-speaking-form-labels/#comment-574 HPR 3.04 and updated version of the test case. HPR does NOT speak the hidden labels in straight through reading mode. HPR DOES speak the hidden labels in control reading mode. HPR does NOT speak the hidden paragraph in either mode. Therefore, we see that display:none is obeyed for some elements and not for others, depending on reading mode. Listen to <a href="http://access-matters.com/recordings/tc5-2-13-hpr-st.mp3">a recording of straight through mode</a>. Lieten to <a href="http://access-matters.com/recordings/tc5-2-13-hpr-cm.mp3">a recording of control reading mode</a>. HPR 3.04 and updated version of the test case.

HPR does NOT speak the hidden labels in straight through reading mode.
HPR DOES speak the hidden labels in control reading mode.

HPR does NOT speak the hidden paragraph in either mode. Therefore, we see that display:none is obeyed for some elements and not for others, depending on reading mode.

Listen to a recording of straight through mode.
Lieten to a recording of control reading mode.

]]> By: Bob Easton http://www.access-matters.com/2005/08/12/quiz-5213-speaking-form-labels/#comment-575 Bob Easton Thu, 01 Sep 2005 18:57:54 +0000 http://www.access-matters.com/2005/08/12/quiz-5213-speaking-form-labels/#comment-575 Jaws 6.1 and IE 6 with the updated test case. Jaws DOES speak the hidden labels in all reading modes. Jaws does NOT speak the hidden paragraph. Therefore, we see that display:none is obeyed for some elements and not for others, independent of reading mode. Listen to <a href="http://access-matters.com/recordings/tc5-2-13-jaws.mp3">a recording</a>. Jaws 6.1 and IE 6 with the updated test case.

Jaws DOES speak the hidden labels in all reading modes. Jaws does NOT speak the hidden paragraph. Therefore, we see that display:none is obeyed for some elements and not for others, independent of reading mode.

Listen to a recording.

]]> By: Bob Easton http://www.access-matters.com/2005/08/12/quiz-5213-speaking-form-labels/#comment-576 Bob Easton Thu, 01 Sep 2005 18:59:23 +0000 http://www.access-matters.com/2005/08/12/quiz-5213-speaking-form-labels/#comment-576 Window Eyes 5.0 and IE 6 with the updated test case. Window Eyes DOES speak the hidden labels in any reading mode. It does NOT speak the hidden paragraph in any reading mode. Therfore, we see that display:none is obeyed for some elements and not for others, independent of reading mode. Window Eyes 5.0 and IE 6 with the updated test case.

Window Eyes DOES speak the hidden labels in any reading mode. It does NOT speak the hidden paragraph in any reading mode. Therfore, we see that display:none is obeyed for some elements and not for others, independent of reading mode.

]]> By: colin http://www.access-matters.com/2005/08/12/quiz-5213-speaking-form-labels/#comment-649 colin Fri, 16 Sep 2005 23:24:52 +0000 http://www.access-matters.com/2005/08/12/quiz-5213-speaking-form-labels/#comment-649 Not a screen reader, but- Lynx for windows displays both the hidden labels and the hidden paragraph. Both appear as if they were normal in every possible way. Not a screen reader, but- Lynx for windows displays both the hidden labels and the hidden paragraph. Both appear as if they were normal in every possible way.

]]> By: Radrigo http://www.access-matters.com/2005/08/12/quiz-5213-speaking-form-labels/#comment-1036 Radrigo Fri, 03 Mar 2006 02:16:08 +0000 http://www.access-matters.com/2005/08/12/quiz-5213-speaking-form-labels/#comment-1036 At the end of the test it says to use the back-button to review the logs collected during the test, but when I return to the previous page the text area has been deleted and all is has is a document.focus. At the end of the test it says to use the back-button to review the logs collected during the test, but when I return to the previous page the text area has been deleted and all is has is a document.focus.

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