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		<link>http://www.access-matters.com/2008/08/29/target-lawsuit-settled-exactly-as-it-should-be/#comment-174949</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: Michael McCloskey</title>
		<link>http://www.access-matters.com/2008/08/29/target-lawsuit-settled-exactly-as-it-should-be/#comment-159968</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Primarily, I want to say that I think this is a great article.  I don't normally write back on most topics, but in this instance I have to agree with the article stating that $6 million is a considerable sum of money for Internet program with any business.  Most retail clients in the retail space are working with annual budgets under $3 million.  So, in this case, we are talking about the "precedent" being set for settling at $6 million which is at least twice most company's annual budget.  

From my vantage point, to process of becoming accessible isn't a huge one and doesn't need to be a revolutionary change.  An adjustment in the design and development process, that I presented at &lt;a href="http://www.atg.com/insightlive2008/agenda.jhtml" title="ATG's Insight Live" rel="nofollow"&gt;ATG's Insight Live&lt;/a&gt; conference this year coined "The Formula for Internet Utopia", and an additional cost of 5 - 20% on projects (depending on size) will ensure you are meeting ADA requirements and at the very least illustrate a company or organization's commitment to meeting the needs of their clients with special needs.  

This is becoming a large focus within my organization right now and I am personally encouraged to see the US standing up for people that have special needs.  This new process for designing and implementing websites is allowing us to provide ADA compliance, SEO and XHTML Mobile at the same time without causing the client to have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on multiple designs, IA and development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Primarily, I want to say that I think this is a great article.  I don&#8217;t normally write back on most topics, but in this instance I have to agree with the article stating that $6 million is a considerable sum of money for Internet program with any business.  Most retail clients in the retail space are working with annual budgets under $3 million.  So, in this case, we are talking about the &#8220;precedent&#8221; being set for settling at $6 million which is at least twice most company&#8217;s annual budget.  </p>
<p>From my vantage point, to process of becoming accessible isn&#8217;t a huge one and doesn&#8217;t need to be a revolutionary change.  An adjustment in the design and development process, that I presented at <a href="http://www.atg.com/insightlive2008/agenda.jhtml" title="ATG's Insight Live" rel="nofollow">ATG&#8217;s Insight Live</a> conference this year coined &#8220;The Formula for Internet Utopia&#8221;, and an additional cost of 5 - 20% on projects (depending on size) will ensure you are meeting ADA requirements and at the very least illustrate a company or organization&#8217;s commitment to meeting the needs of their clients with special needs.  </p>
<p>This is becoming a large focus within my organization right now and I am personally encouraged to see the US standing up for people that have special needs.  This new process for designing and implementing websites is allowing us to provide ADA compliance, SEO and XHTML Mobile at the same time without causing the client to have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on multiple designs, IA and development.
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		<title>by: Stephen Dolle</title>
		<link>http://www.access-matters.com/2008/08/29/target-lawsuit-settled-exactly-as-it-should-be/#comment-157036</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Great comments and discussion. My interest in disability and design issues is primarily with cognitive accessibility and disability, and which has receive the least amount of advocacy and protections. I am an inventor and marketing person, and also am a survivor of a 1992 brain injury and CNS shunt. I directed 2 of my 7 surgeries, and invented technology in this space. What I see as relevant in web, software, and related tech is how cognitive accessibility has been overlooked and misunderstood for so long, when in concept, it is tailor-made as "assistive technology" and a potential great fit to drive advances in designs and applications, but the corporate industries mistakenly designed and marketed them as gadgets and office items. So much can be gleaned and made available to the general use population through their applications in those with cognitive disability.

For instance, last week I had a telephone conference with Microsoft and questioned the results of their key 2003 Forester Research study where no respondents were included who did NOT currently use PCs or the Internet. (http://www.microsoft.com/enable/research/phase1.aspx) My contention is that a substantial part of the population (in the millions) do NOT use PCs, smart mobile phones and other tech devices due to "cognitive incompatibility" with their designs. As much as designers study these challenges, if industry can't envision such devices as assistive technology, then the likihood they might serve in these roles is greatly diminished. It is a MARKETING and PRODUCTS development oversight. I personally feel mandates are not the best solution to innovation and accomodation challenges. The business world enjoys subsidies and tax breaks to spur innovation, and I see that, or the lack of it, as the main issue here - even in the Target case.

In the Target case one must ask, will the outcome spur solutions to resolve the technology challenges at issue, and the answer is probably not any time soon. I would like to see industry and government use more innovative ways to spur advances in accessibility, adoption, and applications - and it won't come about by burrying one's head in the sand.

Respectfully,
Stephen Dolle
DOLLE COMMUNICATIONS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comments and discussion. My interest in disability and design issues is primarily with cognitive accessibility and disability, and which has receive the least amount of advocacy and protections. I am an inventor and marketing person, and also am a survivor of a 1992 brain injury and CNS shunt. I directed 2 of my 7 surgeries, and invented technology in this space. What I see as relevant in web, software, and related tech is how cognitive accessibility has been overlooked and misunderstood for so long, when in concept, it is tailor-made as &#8220;assistive technology&#8221; and a potential great fit to drive advances in designs and applications, but the corporate industries mistakenly designed and marketed them as gadgets and office items. So much can be gleaned and made available to the general use population through their applications in those with cognitive disability.</p>
<p>For instance, last week I had a telephone conference with Microsoft and questioned the results of their key 2003 Forester Research study where no respondents were included who did NOT currently use PCs or the Internet. (http://www.microsoft.com/enable/research/phase1.aspx) My contention is that a substantial part of the population (in the millions) do NOT use PCs, smart mobile phones and other tech devices due to &#8220;cognitive incompatibility&#8221; with their designs. As much as designers study these challenges, if industry can&#8217;t envision such devices as assistive technology, then the likihood they might serve in these roles is greatly diminished. It is a MARKETING and PRODUCTS development oversight. I personally feel mandates are not the best solution to innovation and accomodation challenges. The business world enjoys subsidies and tax breaks to spur innovation, and I see that, or the lack of it, as the main issue here - even in the Target case.</p>
<p>In the Target case one must ask, will the outcome spur solutions to resolve the technology challenges at issue, and the answer is probably not any time soon. I would like to see industry and government use more innovative ways to spur advances in accessibility, adoption, and applications - and it won&#8217;t come about by burrying one&#8217;s head in the sand.</p>
<p>Respectfully,<br />
Stephen Dolle<br />
DOLLE COMMUNICATIONS
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		<title>by: Dennis at Web Axe</title>
		<link>http://www.access-matters.com/2008/08/29/target-lawsuit-settled-exactly-as-it-should-be/#comment-155502</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Excellent points. I was too disappointed when hearing the results of the case. But at least it's a step in the right direction. The $6 million figure should scare many companies into thinking straight about web accessibility. I hope to see more lawsuits in the near future and have a real precedent set, especially since laws are far behind technology and take so long to enact. PS: My family's Target bill is usually around $80, considerably below your case using $350.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points. I was too disappointed when hearing the results of the case. But at least it&#8217;s a step in the right direction. The $6 million figure should scare many companies into thinking straight about web accessibility. I hope to see more lawsuits in the near future and have a real precedent set, especially since laws are far behind technology and take so long to enact. PS: My family&#8217;s Target bill is usually around $80, considerably below your case using $350.
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		<title>by: Jared Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.access-matters.com/2008/08/29/target-lawsuit-settled-exactly-as-it-should-be/#comment-155501</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thank you for the excellent article and the thorough flogging.

A few points:

- When I originally posted my blog entry, the guidelines were not available. Having been involved early on in the process of developing those guidelines, I can assure you they were not NEARLY as extensive then. You are correct - there are a few minor points intended for blind users that have secondary benefits for non-blind users. The only point specific to users without visual disabilities is the "audio description and/or captions". Notice the "or"?

- I never have indicated that it was my wish that the web be subsumed in ADA. What I and most of the community want is clarification that it does or does not. At least then we can move forward in a productive way one way or the other. I agree that it is MUCH more effective to reauthorize ADA with these changes - something we're working hard to have happen.

- Regarding the settlement amount, again you totally misinterpret me. I did not state that the amount should be larger because blind people deserve more or even larger because target is rich. I simply state that the amount is not significant enough to any large corporation to instill a sufficient motivation to take this case or accessibility seriously. The mainstream media has echoed this sentiment by not publishing the story. $6M is not enough for anyone to take notice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the excellent article and the thorough flogging.</p>
<p>A few points:</p>
<p>- When I originally posted my blog entry, the guidelines were not available. Having been involved early on in the process of developing those guidelines, I can assure you they were not NEARLY as extensive then. You are correct - there are a few minor points intended for blind users that have secondary benefits for non-blind users. The only point specific to users without visual disabilities is the &#8220;audio description and/or captions&#8221;. Notice the &#8220;or&#8221;?</p>
<p>- I never have indicated that it was my wish that the web be subsumed in ADA. What I and most of the community want is clarification that it does or does not. At least then we can move forward in a productive way one way or the other. I agree that it is MUCH more effective to reauthorize ADA with these changes - something we&#8217;re working hard to have happen.</p>
<p>- Regarding the settlement amount, again you totally misinterpret me. I did not state that the amount should be larger because blind people deserve more or even larger because target is rich. I simply state that the amount is not significant enough to any large corporation to instill a sufficient motivation to take this case or accessibility seriously. The mainstream media has echoed this sentiment by not publishing the story. $6M is not enough for anyone to take notice.
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